Session Time: Thu Feb 08 00:00:00 2007
[00:21:35] <jb> OK. before you kick me, I am part of VLC team. Can you point me to a .ssa spec and detail the problems VLC has in rendering those subtitles. So we could fix VLC and you wouldn't be bother about people complaining
[00:21:51] <@rhyein> well
[00:21:53] <@rhyein> I'm not expert
[00:21:54] <jb> VLC is bad at rendering subtitles, but we are short staffed
[00:21:58] * XeraN^afk is now known as XeraN^
[00:22:00] <jb> and we could do much better
[00:22:05] * +chupacabra pokes Lucifer
[00:22:06] <@rhyein> but the problem is that VLC is showing the items inside {}
[00:22:10] <@rhyein> and not parsing it out
[00:22:11] <jb> this kind of vendetta is stupid
[00:22:13] * XeraN^ is now known as XeraN^afk
[00:22:17] * XeraN^afk is now known as XeraN^
[00:22:18] <+grunty> nyaaa
[00:22:20] <@rhyein> okay
[00:22:28] <@rhyein> you ask not to be kicked and then ask to be kicked
[00:22:29] <jb> rhyein: oki. the {} is fixed
[00:22:30] * So-Cold dips grunty in wasabi.
[00:22:31] <@rhyein> make up your mind :)
[00:22:34] <@rhyein> also
[00:22:44] <@rhyein> it has problems with subtitles with a certain number of chars
[00:22:45] <@rhyein> err
[00:22:47] <@rhyein> I think 256 
[00:22:48] * @rhyein shrugs
[00:22:48] <jb> all right. The fault is tottally ours
[00:23:00] <@rhyein> and, I know it doesn't support .ass stylized subs.
[00:23:01] <jb> We will do the best
[00:23:16] <@rhyein> Lucifer and co will know more, since they've been testing it
[00:23:21] <jb> rhyein: yes, but what are thos styles ? italic, bold, underline, color ?
[00:23:26] <@rhyein> Color, font
[00:23:30] <@rhyein> not sur eabout the rest
[00:23:37] <@rhyein> I believe VLC users get the default arial font
[00:23:38] <@rhyein> with no color
[00:23:39] <+grunty> positioning, too
[00:23:41] <@rhyein> yeah
[00:23:43] <+grunty> weeeeeeeeee
[00:23:50] <@rhyein> you can't have two lines positioned ontop each other
[00:23:54] <@rhyein> VLC automatically overlaps them
[00:23:55] <jb> grunty: positionning will be difficult
[00:24:02] <+grunty> i wouldnt know... its not my app...
[00:24:18] <@rhyein> anyways
[00:24:21] <@rhyein> that's about as far as I know.
[00:24:43] * +grunty goes laugh at I Love New York
[00:24:53] <jb> We have a freetype rendering that should support a lot of those styles and font
[00:24:59] <jb> we may need to fix it.
[00:25:00] <@rhyein> hm.
[00:25:07] <@rhyein> Well, I don't know as I've never used VLC with our releases
[00:25:11] <jb> no fix, but add features.
[00:25:15] <@rhyein> however, a lot of people have complained about it
[00:25:20] <@rhyein> so I'm assuming it's a problem
[00:25:23] <jb> and .ssa parser is quite empty
[00:25:57] <jb> rhyein: where can I get a .ssa subtitle that would have a lot of those styles ?
[00:26:01] <jb> !rules
[00:26:02] <@rhyein> err
[00:26:08] <@rhyein> I can get you a .ass subtitle
[00:26:13] <@rhyein> :/
[00:26:15] <@rhyein> which is what we use
[00:26:19] <Vnix> Any fansub got "Dai Mahou Tounge"?
[00:26:27] <+grunty> dai maho toge <3
[00:26:30] <adventur> I saw it somewhere
[00:26:31] <+grunty> director is a sick person
[00:26:33] <adventur> it's awesomeness
[00:26:36] <jb> rhyein: I'll be interested yes.
[00:26:40] <@rhyein> oh, also, I heard that VLC's h264 support doesn't work well :)
[00:26:46] <Vnix> i got 6 episode...
[00:26:48] <Vnix> but
[00:26:51] <Vnix> dunno finish or not
[00:26:52] <@rhyein> jb, how long will you be here?
[00:26:59] <@rhyein> My class finishes soon and I need to grab dinner.
[00:27:03] <@rhyein> if you're still here in an hour..... :p
[00:27:15] <jb> rhyein: as long as I am not kicked
[00:27:18] <@rhyein> k
[00:27:26] <adventur> kick him, kick him!
[00:27:27] <@rhyein> just don't say anything insulting or demeaning and I don't think it'll be a problem
[00:27:29] <@House> no u
[00:27:32] <@Zephyr> hey, I have pwr to kick.
[00:27:37] <@House> He stays so the smarty pants people can talk to him.
[00:27:41] <@House> They seem to be absent at the moment though.
[00:27:46] * adventur was kicked by Zephyr (yay I pwn't some vlc person :o)
[00:27:48] <@House> if you hang around someone will talk to you soon enough
[00:27:48] <@rhyein> we're just as eager to get VLC working so that people will stop asking us why VLC doesn't do blah blah.
[00:27:50] <@Zephyr> oops missed.
[00:27:52] <jb> rhyein: it is VLC's fault. not your. I don't see why I should insult you :D
[00:28:00] <jb> rhyein: same here.
[00:28:11] <jb> rhyein: they are submerging our forums...
[00:28:16] <@rhyein> heh
[00:28:17] * adventur cries in the corner
[00:28:39] * So-Cold dips adventur in soy sause.
[00:28:50] <@rhyein> well. I wasn't part of the decision to put the junk data in the ned of the subs, but afaik, people have contacted the VLC devs before long ago about the issues
[00:28:56] <@rhyein> and been ignored.
[00:29:03] <jb> rhyein: I haven't seen those contacts
[00:29:08] <jb> rhyein: and I read all the mails
[00:29:17] <@rhyein> Once again, I don't have first hand information
[00:29:19] <@rhyein> it's all word of mouth
[00:29:25] <@rhyein> I've used VLC like... twice in my life
[00:29:26] <jb> rhyein: they never reached the mailing lists AFAIK
[00:29:27] <@rhyein> 2 years ago
[00:29:29] <So-Cold> It's kinda fun to see those notes, har.
[00:29:33] <@rhyein> I believe it's the forums 
[00:29:36] <@rhyein> actually
[00:29:38] <@rhyein> that they post on
[00:29:47] <@rhyein> I'm assuming VLC has a forum :p
[00:29:57] <@Zephyr> okay so what's needed?  I missed a lot.
[00:30:05] <@rhyein> can you get jb a .ass script?
[00:30:06] <jb> rhyein: yes, that is not the good way to contact the devs. 
[00:30:10] <jb> whatever.
[00:30:19] <@rhyein> I'll do it in an hour when I come back :)
[00:30:20] <jb> I need to see what is wrong with us
[00:30:21] <@rhyein> class is over.
[00:30:24] <@Zephyr> one that isn't rigged to fail vlc?
[00:30:28] <@rhyein> no
[00:30:29] <@rhyein> one that is
[00:30:31] <@Zephyr> uh
[00:30:38] <@Zephyr> I mean, there are a variety of ways that it has failed...
[00:30:38] <jb> Zephyr: I don't care
[00:30:43] <@rhyein> well
[00:30:45] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> woudln't that be... any of the scripts?
[00:30:48] <@Zephyr> Yeah
[00:30:50] <@Zephyr> [any script]
[00:30:52] <jb> I would like a classic subtitles
[00:30:57] <@Zephyr> classic subtitles?
[00:31:02] <jb> to see the styles we need to support
[00:31:03] <@rhyein> he means the stylized fonts we use.
[00:31:05] <@Zephyr> we don't have any ssas...
[00:31:06] <@rhyein> that VLC doesn't support
[00:31:09] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> just a general ass script then
[00:31:11] <@Zephyr> oh, that's everything
[00:31:15] <@rhyein> get him a .ass script :p
[00:31:16] <@Zephyr> grab any .ass
[00:31:20] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> gogogo!
[00:31:20] <@Zephyr> don't you have like 5?
[00:31:26] <@rhyein> he doesn't leech of us
[00:31:27] <@rhyein> afaik
[00:31:30] <@Zephyr> fine fine.
[00:31:32] <@rhyein> just demux and send it zephyr
[00:31:38] <jb> Zephyr: some scripts that would show VLC's limitations.
[00:31:45] <@rhyein> k, so the hacked ones :p
[00:31:48] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> lol
[00:31:49] <jb> And we will try to repair most of them
[00:31:52] <@Zephyr> Okay the ones that we rigged to break.
[00:31:58] <jb> rhyein: no, the hack has been repaired in VLC
[00:32:05] <@rhyein> oh, also, VLC can't seem to adjust subtitle size
[00:32:20] <jb> rhyein: yes, that kind of list
[00:32:20] <@rhyein> I -think- that was a problem :p
[00:32:25] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> hm
[00:32:30] <jb> size, bold, italic, font, underline
[00:32:34] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> from my experience, I don't think VLC really did anything to the font
[00:32:37] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> other than show it in a default font
[00:32:40] <@rhyein> alright.
[00:32:51] <@rhyein> well, stick around and if zephyr isn't helpful, I'm sure koda will come back and unload her list
[00:32:51] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> so basically, all the stylings' gone
[00:32:54] <@rhyein> if not her, then eliza
[00:33:04] <@Zephyr> rhyein, eliza will just ban, you know.
[00:33:04] <jb> Dei|PrideOfTheMagus: VLC has a freetype rendering tha can. but the subtitle parser is basic
[00:33:10] <@rhyein> nah
[00:33:13] <@Zephyr> orly.
[00:33:14] * jhac13 is now known as jhac13|ut2004
[00:33:17] <@Zephyr> She kicked me 25 times from gg D:
[00:33:22] <@rhyein> because you were stupid
[00:33:23] <@rhyein> >_>
[00:33:25] <@Zephyr> how so? >_>
[00:33:29] <@rhyein> in the usual manner
[00:33:38] <@Zephyr> Then I should be continuously kicked for like... ever
[00:33:46] <@rhyein> yeah. I know.
[00:33:47] <jb> So, I need some .ssa that would show the common styles we should support
[00:33:48] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> lol
[00:33:58] <@rhyein> jb, once again, we have no .ssa scripts, just .ass, which are slightly different.
[00:34:05] <@rhyein> but not by much, I think
[00:34:05] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> err.... isn't one of the problems the fact that .ssa doesn't support some of the styles used in .ass?
[00:34:14] <@rhyein> yeah
[00:34:14] <jb> rhyein: ok. my mystake
[00:34:15] <@Dei|PrideOfTheMagus> don't quote me of course, not compeltely sure on that
[00:34:18] <@Zephyr> ssa doesn't have any of the styles of ass.
[00:34:24] <jb> I don't really care... :D
[00:34:25] <@Zephyr> think CSS and HTML.
[00:34:32] <@Zephyr> CSS has style support...
[00:34:38] <@Zephyr> HTML does not, and requires a crapload more coding to do so.
[00:34:49] <@Zephyr> well not really that much more
[00:34:52] <@Zephyr> but whatever. :O
[00:35:08] * Dei|PrideOfTheMagus is now known as Dei|Eateat
[00:35:10] <@Zephyr> we released cg15 already, right?
[00:35:18] <@Dei|Eateat> we're on 16 now aren't we
[00:35:20] <adventur> 16 too
[00:35:22] <@House> No we skipped to 16.
[00:35:23] <@rhyein> 16 too zephyr
[00:35:24] <@Dei|Eateat> rotflmao
[00:35:25] <@rhyein> :|
[00:35:33] <zurra> hmmm... well, 16 is no longer screwed up for me in mplayer thankfully
[00:35:36] <jb> so, I just wait here ?
[00:35:44] <@rhyein> yeah
[00:35:52] <zurra> instead of editing the config file, just had to put -ass -embeddedfonts -correct-pts -sid 0 on the misc tab ...
[00:35:53] <jb> CU later

[00:35:54] <teefs> I fixed the subs
[00:35:56] <teefs> it's not that hard
[00:36:04] <@rhyein> teefs
[00:36:06] <@rhyein> that's NOT THE POINT
[00:36:16] <teefs> oh I just wanted to say I got it working
[00:36:23] <teefs> and apologize for whining earlier
[00:36:24] <+grunty> good job.
[00:36:28] <@rhyein> k
[00:36:41] <@rhyein> I need to get mkvextract
[00:36:41] <@rhyein> brb
[00:36:51] <%gg|orly> 11[10Request11] Requesting:[10Looking for Translators. /msg any op or join #gg-recruit || We are NOT looking for joints with foreign groups. || We are h264/mkv ONLY, don't ask for any other formats.11]
[00:36:54] <+grunty> what do you need?
[00:36:55] * AirMaster is now known as Air|feeding
[00:36:56] <@Zephyr> I already sent him the cg15 .ass prelim.
[00:37:00] <+grunty> ic
[00:37:01] <+grunty> kay
[00:37:05] <@Zephyr> or, I am trying to. :o
[00:37:06] <zurra> thx for the releases as always ^^
[00:37:11] <@Zephyr> The qc version. lawl.
[00:37:18] <@rhyein> zephyr
[00:37:21] <@Zephyr> ?
[00:37:25] <@rhyein> the qc versions dont' have the extra junk
[00:37:26] * +grunty goes listen to rozen maiden cd collection no.02
[00:37:28] <@rhyein> that was put into the final
[00:37:31] <@rhyein> use the final release
[00:37:36] <@Zephyr> yeah you don't need to have the extra crap do you?
[00:37:37] <@rhyein> AKA, get from FTP, demux, send.
[00:37:42] <@Zephyr> Fine fine.
[00:37:44] <@rhyein> it's what breaks it :p
[00:37:46] <@Zephyr> you do it. :(
[00:37:50] <@rhyein> I don't have mkvextract
[00:37:53] <@rhyein> and my class ends in 8 minutes
[00:37:58] <@Zephyr> Well, I prefer having style support for the first point.
[00:38:04] * @rhyein shrugs
[00:38:08] <@rhyein> just send a script then
[00:38:10] <@rhyein> I don't care :/
[00:38:11] <@Zephyr> The stuff that breaks it, well, we kinda did that anyway.
[00:38:48] <@Zephyr> uh
[00:38:51] <@Zephyr> imma just get it from a bot
[00:38:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Zephyr
[00:40:19] <@rhyein> the the site with mkvextract is down apparently
[00:40:56] <+sk|ecchi> how do i make zoomplayer
[00:41:02] <+sk|ecchi> show stuff as i fast forward
[00:42:20] <div> rhyein: wot
[00:42:43] <div> lol @ 100 share ratio
[00:42:43] <div> @_@
[00:42:49] <div> Uploaded: 17055.2 MB
[00:42:49] <@rhyein> div?
[00:42:51] <@rhyein> huh?
[00:42:54] <div> Uploaded:  4160.1 MB
[00:43:04] <div> 12:45 #gg: <@rhyein> div
[00:43:04] <div> 12:46 #gg: < rusef> div
[00:43:04] <div> 12:47 #gg: < rusef> div
[00:43:04] <div> 12:47 #gg: <@rhyein> div
[00:43:04] <div> 12:47 #gg: < rusef> div
[00:43:04] <div> 12:49 #gg: < rusef> div
[00:43:05] <div> <_<
[00:43:07] <div> away log
[00:43:07] <@rhyein> oh
[00:43:13] <@rhyein> we were spam killing you
[00:43:14] <Pizza_Hut> Your mom has a 100 share ratio.
[00:43:15] <@rhyein> with ^
[00:43:18] <@rhyein> and abusing your autoanswer script
[00:43:19] <Pizza_Hut> lulz.
[00:43:22] <div> :\
[00:43:22] <@Zephyr> div
[00:43:22] <div> Zephyr
[00:43:24] <@Zephyr> div
[00:43:24] <div> Zephyr
[00:43:24] <div> ?
[00:43:25] <@Zephyr> :o
[00:43:25] <div> ...
[00:43:26] <div> ugh
[00:43:27] <div> dieee
[00:43:40] <Pizza_Hut> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfg31FTFdgA
[00:44:08] <jb> rhyein: beep me then later
[00:44:22] <@rhyein> I'll PM you when we're ready :/
[00:44:37] <@rhyein> now, dinner
[00:49:53] * ChanServ sets mode: +v ChaosShadow-
[00:50:21] * ChaosShadow- is now known as ChaosShadow
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[00:52:42] <Epyon-01> @find memories in
[00:52:47] <Barth> hay guyz i'm a weeaboo 
[00:52:50] <Barth> call me joe-chan
[00:52:51] <Barth> LOLE JK
[00:52:52] <Barth> jokes
[00:53:28] <+sk|ecchi> epyon!
[00:53:32] <+sk|ecchi> wtf r u doing here!
[00:53:39] * ChanServ sets mode: +v ChaosShadow-
[00:54:16] <Missy> epyon is always here
[00:54:22] <Missy> are you in irchighway too
[00:54:31] <+sk|ecchi> ._o i always saw him in lurk
[00:54:38] * ChaosShadow- is now known as ChaosShadow
[00:54:41] <+sk|ecchi> or was it hentai-heaven
[00:55:32] <Missy> lurk.
[00:55:34] <Missy> and
[00:55:34] <Missy> that
[00:55:45] <Missy> brrr.
[00:55:49] <Missy> i go back sleep
[00:55:59] <Missy> be in highway when i wake up
[00:56:13] <Missy> i dont go lurk tho. i lurk in lurknet
[00:56:32] <+sk|ecchi> sexy D:
[00:57:09] <Missy> missy is ~missy@Rizon-3EADCCA9.netcologne.de * Missy     <- anyone tell me what country 
[00:59:10] <@Zephyr> missy - .de = deutsche, germany?
[00:59:36] <+sk|ecchi> denmark
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[00:59:48] <@Zephyr> Some german state.
[00:59:59] <@Zephyr> And when I mean german, I mean german speaking :x
[01:00:07] <Missy> hmmm ok.
[01:00:08] <@Zephyr> [So, somewhere in mainland europe.]
[01:00:17] <+sk|ecchi> somewhere in sexy land
[01:00:17] <Missy> that bugger
[01:00:23] <Missy> is irrritating so much can.
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[01:01:02] <@Zephyr> trying to steal your name?
[01:01:04] <Missy> he/she always in some darkteam channel in this server that requires password or in tho fantasy online dating/sex channel
[01:01:14] <Missy> in the*
[01:01:25] <@Zephyr> just uh
[01:01:29] <Missy> after i ghost and identify myself
[01:01:31] <Missy> i get all this
[01:01:33] <@Zephyr> set your client to ghost on startup.
[01:01:38] <Mint> how come this thing doesn't play correctly?
[01:01:54] <karice67> !rules
[01:01:56] <Mint> i use 320x240 res
[01:02:04] <Missy> hmmm Zephyr
[01:02:08] <Missy> looks familiar
[01:02:10] <Missy> you bnet ?
[01:02:29] <@Zephyr> wtf :|
[01:02:31] <@Zephyr> No.
[01:02:36] <@Zephyr> hatever the hell that is.
[01:02:39] <Missy> lol
[01:02:46] <Missy> war3 battle net
[01:02:48] <Barth> it's a common name
[01:02:52] <Missy> ah.
[01:02:58] <@Zephyr> Zephyr on rizon is not zephyr anywhere else.
[01:03:14] * Zephyr is now known as ZephyrFlare
[01:03:23] * ZephyrFlare is now known as Zephyr
[01:03:25] <Missy> i recieve messages like this after i identify -HeLL-22A- ** Closing Connection: You are no longer on a known channel
[01:03:28] <Missy> and
[01:03:29] <Missy> some
[01:03:39] <@Zephyr> Well
[01:03:45] <@Zephyr> that person just dl's a lot of porn or something.
[01:03:47] <Missy> halfway thru sex talk injected thru pms
[01:03:49] <Missy> PMs*
[01:04:01] <@Zephyr> ahahaha failure.
[01:04:17] <@Zephyr> their client phailz.
[01:04:31] <Missy> wth is Im going to kiss you now baby
[01:05:05] <Missy> and stuff like taht.
[01:06:06] * Air|feeding is now known as AirMaster
[01:11:21] <@Zephyr> so jb...
[01:11:24] <@Zephyr> what do you want?
[01:11:31] * jhac13|ut2004 is now known as jhac13|dinner
[01:11:32] <@Zephyr> I demuxed an episode to...
[01:12:04] <@Zephyr> audio, video, subtitle1, subtitle2, two attachments with fonts, and chapters
[01:12:07] <jb> Zephyr: I need a typical subtitle, with the styles you use
[01:12:42] <jb> to see what we need to add in VLC
[01:13:36] <jb> Zephyr: and/or a link to .ass specs
[01:14:36] <+grunty> one would think vlc staff would know .ass/.ssa >_>
[01:15:38] <jb> grunty: they are lots of subtitles, lots of codecs, lots of encoding stuff to know
[01:15:55] <jb> grunty: and subtitles the more used are srt and DVD
[01:16:09] <+grunty> psh...
[01:16:10] <jb> last one we added was teletext
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[01:16:30] <Mint> 3(07jb03): dcc allow
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[01:16:53] <jb> Mint: got it. thx
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[01:17:04] <jb> Zephyr: got it. thx
[01:17:48] <jb> Zephyr: just a question. all the garbage is just to break VLC or is it really needed ?
[01:17:56] <@rhyein> break
[01:18:03] <jb> allright
[01:18:37] <jb> is there a .ass specification about the max length of a line ?
[01:18:44] <Mint> nope
[01:18:58] <Mint> god mode turn on
[01:19:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Mint
[01:19:13] <@rhyein> not exactly god mode
[01:19:17] <+grunty> lulz
[01:19:18] * @rhyein points at % and ~
[01:19:20] <+grunty> koda would kick ur ass
[01:19:21] <@Zephyr> Some of the garbage is to break vlc.
[01:19:21] <+grunty> ;x
[01:19:23] <@Zephyr> Some isn't.
[01:19:42] <@Zephyr> Some is just like "koda wants to print fun pretty notes n comments"
[01:19:50] <+grunty> haha
[01:19:56] <@rhyein> if you can read it and it makes sense, chances are it's there for a reason
[01:19:57] <+grunty> matter of time til she puts Lucifer-tan is hawt
[01:20:05] <jb> {\fscx0} are styles ?
[01:20:07] <@rhyein> the random letters and numbers are there to break it.
[01:20:14] <@rhyein> I believe those are the size
[01:20:14] * ChanServ sets mode: -v grunty
[01:20:17] <grunty> awww
[01:20:19] <@rhyein> "change size to zero"
[01:20:19] <grunty> oh well
[01:20:20] <@rhyein> or something
[01:20:21] <@Zephyr> no, the {\fscx0} was implemented after people bitched about the last release.
[01:20:28] * ChanServ sets mode: +v jb
[01:20:31] * Mint sets mode: +m
[01:20:44] <@Mint> so nobody starts confusing anyone else
[01:20:59] * Retrieving #gg modes...
[01:20:59] <@Mint> heres one of the many problems
[01:21:13] <@Mint> anything in {} means comments...aka not be displayed
[01:21:21] <+jb> Mint: allright.
[01:21:34] <@Mint> from what i know <> () [] {} all brackets
[01:21:53] <+jb> Mint: great.
[01:21:59] <+jb> Thanks guys.
[01:22:10] <@Mint> theres several other things
[01:22:13] <@Mint> besides that
[01:22:14] <+jb> We will do what we can considering very limited staff
[01:22:17] <+jb> Mint: like ?
[01:23:26] <@Mint> i think its layers or something...but as far as i'm concerned is that people hsouldn't be seeing anything within brackets...im not exactly on the whole bug exploit person
[01:23:41] <@Mint> i believe theres something that will crash vlc...but i forget what it was
[01:23:56] <@rhyein> if there's more than 256 characters in one line
[01:23:59] <@rhyein> it'll crash VLC
[01:24:08] <+jb> rhyein: hmmm... this is more problematic
[01:24:19] <+jb> this means that the renderer is brokne
[01:24:39] <+jb> the .ass thing is just because the parser is poor. 
[01:24:45] <@Zephyr> I wonder where silverfire is.
[01:24:46] <+jb> the crash is a bug.
[01:24:52] <@Zephyr> Okay currently away for 4 hours
[01:25:13] * @rhyein whaps silverfire
[01:25:27] * ChanServ sets mode: +v ender
[01:25:31] <@Mint> collision detection i think is another one
[01:25:45] <+jb> Mint: yes, I saw that one.
[01:25:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +v silverfire
[01:25:52] <+silverfire> thx
[01:25:55] <@Zephyr> loading 2 subs on the same place is fun.
[01:25:58] <@Zephyr> hey silverfire...
[01:25:59] <+silverfire> @Zephyr: what D:
[01:26:06] <@Zephyr> wanna point out things that go wrong with vlc? :O
[01:26:11] <@rhyein> jb is here from VLC devs
[01:26:11] <+silverfire> a lot.
[01:26:13] <+jb> Mint: do you have a sample with overlapping ?
[01:26:17] <@Zephyr> Yeah. :O
[01:26:18] <@rhyein> he would like to know how you crash VLC
[01:26:24] <@rhyein> so they can fix VLC's .ass support
[01:26:27] <@Mint> i don't
[01:26:29] <@Zephyr> I have an overlapping one, I believe.
[01:26:33] <+silverfire> @jb: http://silverfire.isadouchebag.net/scripts/fillgarbage.mrc
[01:26:39] <@Mint> you can just talk to silverfire
[01:26:42] <@Zephyr> or just ask silverfire
[01:27:06] <@rhyein> wlel, he knows about that bug silverfire
[01:27:07] <@rhyein> :p
[01:27:08] <@Mint> ok everyone else just like dont' mention i think silver has this covered
[01:27:18] <@rhyein> k
[01:27:19] <+silverfire> lol
[01:27:22] <+jb> silverfire: got it.
[01:27:27] <+silverfire> any 'unbreakable string' will make VLC die
[01:27:29] <+silverfire> more accurately
[01:27:32] <+silverfire> itll make freetype die
[01:27:36] <+silverfire> thats the only thing ive been poking
[01:27:40] <+silverfire> and variations of that
[01:27:48] <+silverfire> i think someone said it was >50chr
[01:27:53] <+silverfire> but i do 256 anyway because 
[01:27:56] <+silverfire> i was too lazy to change it
[01:27:56] <+silverfire> :D
[01:28:15] <+jb> so, if you have a more than 50char long string, it will break
[01:28:21] <+silverfire> something like that.
[01:28:31] <+jb> ok.
[01:28:35] <+silverfire> i think ive put at most two hours into writing the exploit.
[01:28:41] <+silverfire> i didnt have to go very far to find a vulnerability
[01:28:44] <+silverfire> so i didnt have to look too hard
[01:28:49] <+silverfire> therefore i still dont know that much
[01:28:50] <+silverfire> lol
[01:28:54] <+jb> lol&#65394;
[01:28:59] <+jb> silverfire: about styles. 
[01:29:09] <+silverfire> youll have to ask koda about that prolly
[01:29:15] <+silverfire> im not much of a typesetter
[01:29:17] <@rhyein> koda = lucifer
[01:29:46] <+silverfire> aside from that i have the latest sources from svn but i havent bothered to start reading it yet to find more vulns
[01:30:21] <+jb> silverfire: vulnerabilities and limitations in the renderer are in src/misc/freetype.c
[01:30:29] <+silverfire> btw. that fscx0 version will break deviant00's patch as well.
[01:30:48] * Malakith sets mode: +v amz
[01:30:55] <+silverfire> oo. its amz
[01:31:00] <+amz> hello o/
[01:31:02] <+jb> the poor ass parser is in modules/codec/subsdec.c
[01:31:07] <@rhyein> http://www.ggkthx.org/?p=424#comments
[01:31:11] <@rhyein> that's a short summary
[01:31:15] <@rhyein> scroll up and ignore the comments.
[01:31:28] <+jb> hmmmm... 
[01:31:31] <+amz> jb, are you the "j-b" on #videolan?
[01:31:35] <+jb> amz: yes
[01:32:00] <+jb> silverfire: if you have any patch, please :D
[01:32:12] <+silverfire> i dont feel like patching my own exploits :P
[01:32:14] <+jb> silverfire: deviant00 and rataime did some patches :D
[01:32:15] <@Mint> amz is mr. aegisub correct?
[01:32:18] <+silverfire> im on the other side remember?
[01:32:20] <+amz> Correct
[01:32:22] <@rhyein> yeah
[01:32:26] <+silverfire> im the one doing the poking
[01:32:26] <+jb> silverfire: lol
[01:32:27] <+amz> The one you all blame when it crashes
[01:32:28] <+silverfire> not the fixing
[01:32:28] <+silverfire> XD
[01:32:32] <@Zephyr> silverfire would rather be sucking up to an ircop in order to get his send limit uncapped.
[01:32:52] <+silverfire> lol
[01:32:52] <@Zephyr> did you get it re-instated yet, silver? :O
[01:32:54] <+jb> silverfire: the breaker is usually the one that knows the best
[01:32:59] <+silverfire> lol
[01:33:15] <+amz> I saw some suspicious code on VLC's SSA parser...
[01:33:16] <+silverfire> im not interested in a band aid solution and i dont have the time to fully implement the ASS spec.
[01:33:23] <+amz> it seems to do a blind copy into a buffer of 81920 bytes
[01:33:30] <+silverfire> lol
[01:33:31] <+amz> so anything over that SHOULD crash it, yet I've been unable to do it
[01:33:51] <+silverfire> 80
[01:33:52] <+silverfire> k
[01:33:56] <+silverfire> is that each line
[01:33:59] <+silverfire> or globally
[01:34:02] <+amz> each line
[01:34:06] <+silverfire> oh fun
[01:34:14] <+silverfire> 80KB of junk a line is a ...lot
[01:34:15] <+silverfire> XD
[01:34:16] <+amz> well, a single line crashing would take the whole player with it
[01:34:25] <+silverfire> hmm.
[01:34:36] <+amz> one thing that I DID notice, though
[01:34:40] <+amz> is that vsfilter takes FOREVER to load such a line
[01:34:41] <+amz> :D
[01:34:47] <+silverfire> lol
[01:34:49] <@Mint> amz would know alot since he works with alot of stuffz with .ass
[01:35:03] <+DoGfOoD> amz sucks!
[01:35:05] <+amz> Mint, unfortunately, their parser is very simple
[01:35:16] <+amz> so it doesn't really have many places to break
[01:35:17] <+jb> not simple. unimplemented ...
[01:35:22] <+silverfire> lol
[01:35:27] <+amz> I hope that they implement asa or libass into it
[01:35:28] <+silverfire> for all intents and purposes
[01:35:29] <+silverfire> same thing
[01:35:30] <+amz> that way, everyone is happy
[01:35:42] <+amz> #videolan guys said that they just need a patch for it
[01:35:45] <+jb> libass is badly coded and too tied to mplayer
[01:35:48] <+amz> maybe I should persuade equinox into writing an asa patch
[01:36:04] <+amz> libass has a standalone version
[01:36:11] <+amz> aside from the one on the mplayer repository
[01:36:14] <+amz> but I've been unable to get it to work
[01:36:20] <+amz> it's not very win32 friendly
[01:36:27] <+amz> asa even builds cleanly on VC++
[01:36:40] <+jb> amz: do you have a link to the standalone ?
[01:36:45] <+amz> hold on
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[01:37:20] <+amz> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=181138
[01:37:41] <+amz> libass does have its own issues, though
[01:37:46] <+amz> it can "only" do 100 lines onscreen at once
[01:37:51] <+amz> which might seem plenty
[01:37:55] <+amz> but not for karaoke :)
[01:38:05] <+amz> there's a full comparison here: http://asa.diac24.net/wiki/index.php/Compatibility
[01:39:44] <+jb> amz: hmm. great. We may use one of these libs then
[01:40:14] <+amz> asa is very easy to implement (took me all of 30 minutes, if that, to implement in Aegisub)
[01:40:16] <+amz> dunno about libass
[01:40:23] <+amz> but I don't think that it's hard, either
[01:40:31] <+silverfire> good luck with that :D
[01:40:35] <+silverfire> if VLC is fixed
[01:40:39] <+silverfire> then i no longer have to spend time
[01:40:41] <+silverfire> breaking it every week
[01:40:41] <+silverfire> XD
[01:40:51] <@Mint> i wouldn't have to spend time
[01:40:54] <@Mint> answering questions
[01:40:57] <+silverfire> lol
[01:40:59] <@Mint> about why things don't work
[01:41:11] <@Mint> every time i have to handle that
[01:41:16] <+jb> well, thanks guys.
[01:41:18] <@Mint> i wish i had like $100
[01:41:22] <+silverfire> lol
[01:41:23] <+amz> jb: https://spaceboyz.net/svn/aegisub/trunk/aegisub/subtitles_provider_csri.cpp
[01:41:25] <@Mint> every time that happened
[01:41:28] <+amz> this is Aegisub's implementation of asa
[01:41:33] <@Mint> then id be a billionare
[01:41:36] <+amz> via CSRI (Common Subtitles Renderer Interface)
[01:41:48] <+amz> which ASA uses
[01:41:50] <+amz> er, asa
[01:41:51] <@Zephyr> el uses medusa though :O
[01:41:57] <@Zephyr> know if that uses the same? :D
[01:41:59] <+jb> Mint: you wouldn't believe how many people come and ask some help on IRC and forum for us too
[01:42:04] <+silverfire> medusa uses vsfilter
[01:42:13] <+jb> and we are a very small team developing and answering
[01:43:44] <+jb> well, thanks guys.
[01:43:55] <@Mint> k well if anything big pops up...
[01:44:01] <+jb> I have to go to work in 5 hours
[01:44:07] <+jb> Mint: i'll stay around
[01:44:19] <+jb> Mint: we will do the best
[01:44:22] <+jb> C U
[01:44:22] <@rhyein> good luck with developing VLC :)
[01:44:37] <+jb> rhyein: we are changing interface and playlist
[01:44:41] <+jb> it is a big mess
[01:44:48] <+jb> and we are less than 5 coders
[01:44:54] <+jb> including a beginer like me
[01:45:07] <@rhyein> I can imagine
[01:45:23] <+jb> rhyein: and we still need to support Win, linux, Unix, macOS, MacTel
[01:45:31] <+jb> and This f*cking VISTA
[01:45:59] <@rhyein> heh
[01:46:05] <@Zephyr> vista sucks.
[01:46:07] <+sk|ecchi> vista is nothing more than a visual upgrade to XP, with a performance downgrade
[01:46:15] <@Zephyr> LAWL WE HAVE AERO GLASS
[01:46:19] <+amz> Yea, Aegisub had a bunch of issues on Vista, too
[01:46:21] <@Zephyr> NOW WE CAN WASTE 1GB OF MEMORY ON A SKIN
[01:46:22] <+silverfire> lol
[01:46:27] * ChanServ sets mode: -v sk|ecchi
[01:46:27] <+amz> starting with the fact that ATI didn't support OpenGL until a few days ago
[01:46:58] <@Zephyr> sk|ecchi, actually it's not a visual upgrade at all.
[01:47:11] * ChanServ sets mode: +h dovac
[01:47:26] <@Zephyr> its a real 64-bit platform, I believe.  The visual upgrade is aero glass, which you can turn off.  Aero glass by itself wastes about a gigabyte of memory, making it the worst skin ever.
[01:47:30] <+jb> amz: ATI drivers are so much better than nvidia
[01:47:49] <+amz> shrug
[01:47:51] <@rhyein> ....
[01:47:55] <+amz> I've been hearing that nvidia is having some trouble on Vista
[01:47:58] <@Mint> meh
[01:47:59] <@Zephyr> jb: ATI drivers are so much less supported than nvidia
[01:48:07] <@Mint> its all bad
[01:48:08] <+amz> but I was worried for a moment that ATI wasn't going to support GL at all
[01:48:09] <@Zephyr> :(
[01:48:17] <@Mint> wait like ayear
[01:48:20] <+amz> since Aegisub 2.00 uses OpenGL
[01:48:24] <+amz> (pixel shaders and all :P)
[01:48:27] <@Mint> anyway
[01:48:32] <@Mint> XP is good enough
[01:48:39] <@Mint> no reason to actually use vista
[01:48:43] <+jb> there was a class action started against NVidia for those drivers
[01:48:43] <@Mint> right now
[01:48:50] <+amz> not until something comes out with DX10
[01:49:04] <+amz> I thought nvidia was going against Microsoft, too
[01:49:05] <@Zephyr> well, DX10 gfx cards are so reeediculous.
[01:49:12] <+silverfire> lol
[01:49:13] <+amz> ridiculous? How so?
[01:49:17] <+jb> the funny part was that M$ offered us some help
[01:49:24] <+silverfire> 2x8800GTX'es sound so awesome to run filters on.
[01:49:25] <+jb> and they couldn't fix the code 
[01:49:29] <@Mint> its a bigger number
[01:49:31] <+jb> nor spot the problems
[01:49:32] <@Mint> therefore its better
[01:49:35] <@Zephyr> until dual slot SLIs come out under 100$/ea, there won't be budget-class DX10 support.
[01:49:48] <@Mint> define budget
[01:49:50] <@Mint> lol
[01:49:51] <@Zephyr> like
[01:49:51] <+amz> "oshi-, this won't build on visual studio! What's this unix stuff! HELP! AAAHHHHHH"
[01:49:56] <@Zephyr> people like me can have it :(
[01:50:08] * @Zephyr is using a 3500+ with an ATI Xpress200G
[01:50:13] <+amz> -_-
[01:50:17] * +amz is using a 2200+ with a 6600 Diamond
[01:50:18] <@Zephyr> so crappy you dont even know~
[01:50:31] <+silverfire> lol
[01:50:31] <@Zephyr> amz needs something like that, too.
[01:50:38] <+amz> I need to disable H.264 deblocking (YAY BLOCKS EVERYWHERE) to play Manabi Straight smoothly
[01:50:44] <+silverfire> 2.8ghz opteron 165 / GF7900GT
[01:50:45] <+silverfire> XD
[01:50:51] <@Zephyr> okay lets all mob silverfire.
[01:50:53] <@Zephyr> :(
[01:50:53] <+silverfire> lol
[01:50:57] <@Zephyr> oh wait
[01:50:57] * +silverfire is running WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600) :: 2 - 2.81 GHz Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (5% load) :: 1113/2047MB (54%) memory used :: nVidia GeForce 7900 GT @ 1280x1024x32bpp 60Hz :: [C:Meyrin] 59.14/69.23 GB [D:Kaede] 18.99/139.73 GB [E:Saber] 20.33/139.73 GB [F:Tomoe] 37.99/93.15 GB [G:Chikane] 19.85/93.15 GB [H:Touka] 59.94/93.15 GB [I:Archive_001] 45.26/279.46 GB :: Uptime: 1wk 5hrs 59mins 35secs :: Record uptime: 4wks 2da
[01:50:58] <+silverfire> :P
[01:51:00] <@Zephyr> lemmie go to nipponsei.
[01:51:09] <@Zephyr> some asshat there had a core2 duo.
[01:51:11] <@Mint> i got tards that define "budget" as a dual core processor computer with 4gb of ram
[01:51:13] <+jb> with what encoder do you encode H264 movies ?
[01:51:16] <+amz> uhm
[01:51:19] <+silverfire> megui?
[01:51:19] <+silverfire> XD
[01:51:24] <+amz> kaa encoder has a quad core with vapochill
[01:51:24] <+silverfire> well
[01:51:24] <+jb> Core ? x264 ? Ateme ?
[01:51:25] <+silverfire> not really
[01:51:29] <+silverfire> err
[01:51:30] <+silverfire> x264
[01:51:37] <+silverfire> [16:50:44] <+amz> kaa encoder has a quad core with vapochill
[01:51:37] <+amz> or was it two dual cores...
[01:51:37] <+amz> well
[01:51:38] <+silverfire> i saw
[01:51:40] <+amz> he has four cores total
[01:51:40] <+silverfire> 4ghz right?
[01:51:41] <+amz> >_>
[01:51:41] <@Zephyr> x264. :o
[01:51:42] <+silverfire> ya
[01:51:44] <+silverfire> i saw that screenshot
[01:51:44] <+amz> yea, something of the sort
[01:51:48] <+silverfire> absolutely ridiculous
[01:51:52] <@Zephyr> Lawl. quad core.

[01:51:53] <+silverfire> XD
[01:51:54] <+amz> I just saw the crazy x264 settings at 30 fps
[01:51:54] <+silverfire> I WANT.
[01:51:56] <+silverfire> i want eight coresw
[01:51:57] <+silverfire> *cores
[01:52:01] <+silverfire> and it was 20fps
[01:52:08] <+silverfire> but at those settings?
[01:52:11] <+silverfire> holy shit.
[01:52:11] <+silverfire> XD
[01:52:15] <+amz> oh, 30fps is what he got after he raised to 6 threads, I think
[01:52:17] <+amz> he only had 4
[01:52:20] <+amz> and they recommend 1.5 per core
[01:52:21] <@Zephyr> ...lawl.
[01:52:22] <+silverfire> oh
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[01:52:24] <+silverfire> lol
[01:52:26] <+silverfire> wait >_<
[01:52:30] <+silverfire> so i should do 3 threads? D:
[01:52:35] <@Zephyr> so liek, he should raise to 6?
[01:52:35] <+amz> in theory?
[01:52:48] <+amz> that's what the x264 staff recommends
[01:52:50] <+silverfire> wait what about the separate avisynth thread.
[01:52:57] <+silverfire> or does that not really matter
[01:53:00] <+amz> don't ask me >_>
[01:53:01] <+silverfire> since its mostly just i/o
[01:53:03] <+silverfire> D:
[01:53:07] <+amz> just passing information along
[01:53:17] <+amz> try with 3 and see if it's faster
[01:53:18] <+amz> :)
[01:53:27] <+silverfire> lol
[01:53:30] <+silverfire> i will :o
[01:53:46] <@Zephyr> so
[01:53:48] <@Zephyr> with my 1 core
[01:53:51] <@Zephyr> I should try 1.5? :O
[01:53:53] <@Zephyr> (jk)
[01:53:54] <@Zephyr> :(
[01:54:00] <+amz> I know your pain
[01:54:00] <@Mint> i have PII
[01:54:00] <+amz> ;_;
[01:54:04] <@Mint> will ti work?
[01:54:23] <@Mint> lol
[01:54:24] <+amz> is SSE p2 or p3?
[01:54:41] <@Mint> just plain p2 i think
[01:54:54] <+amz> hmm, pentium 3, according to wiki
[01:55:07] <+amz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions
[01:55:15] <+amz> so, I doubt it'll work without even SSE
[01:55:50] <@Zephyr> pentium III is lame.
[01:56:01] <@Zephyr> I say that's equivalent to an athlon 700MHz.
[01:56:44] <@Zephyr> [zomg my computer can't run h264!!!!!1111 and my cpu is 1GHz!]  [What processor?] [Pentium III] [Lul]
[01:58:38] <+jb> Good night chan