Wait, about Diethard
There’s a theory that Diethard is there to fuck over Schneizel and is actually working with Lelouch entirely based on that shitfaced grin Diethard was giving him, but I have a counter to it. 
If Diethard is his ace in the hole, why does Lelouch think the only person he can rely on is Nina? Listen to his thoughts at the end of the episode. He thinks his only trump card is Nina. This was in his head, so its not like he’d have to filter out that Diethard is secretly still with him.
If Diethard turns out to be working with him all along, then I would like to label Lelouch’s inner thoughts from the end of the episode as bad and forgetful writing.
Edit: I have also considered that Diethard is actually on Lelouch’s side and Lelouch DOESN’T KNOW IT etc, but that’s not really the theory I’m talking about. The theory is specifically that their exchanged glances means “KEIKAKU DOORI.”
Tags: Diethard, Lelouch, R2 23, Theory
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September 15, 2008 1:04 pm
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waffles54 (September 15, 2008 @ 1:17 pm)
“only person he can rely on is Nina”
To fool the viewers, nothing in code geass is real.
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theflow (September 15, 2008 @ 1:21 pm)
wow you been spamming hard since 23 aired. although i can understand “leaving it as a surprise to the viewers”, i really think it was just a “i see you’re following someone else” reaction.
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miasmacloud (September 15, 2008 @ 2:36 pm)
I do too, mainly because of what I posted about.
Also, ep 23 was called Schneizel’s Mask, so naturally I’m going to spam to fuck and back this week.
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P3s (September 15, 2008 @ 1:28 pm)
so what exactly could diethard do? he’s almost as harmless as nunally.
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Cat Megex (September 15, 2008 @ 5:00 pm)
…Well, Nunnally does have the Button-kun that fires F.L.E.I.J.A.. I think that reduces her harmlessness a bit.
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Nilie (September 15, 2008 @ 1:46 pm)
Did he say ‘Nina’? I’m not sure I heard that. Not in the preview anyway.
And yes, Nina becoming the key to saving the world from Schneizelian apocalypse is decidedly WTF-Geassness a plot twist.
lol at the ‘as harmless diethard as nanally’ XD
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風の谷の名無しさん (September 15, 2008 @ 3:43 pm)
Not in the preview, in the episode itself. He spends quite some time going on about that, you know.
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heiro (September 15, 2008 @ 1:57 pm)
even if Lelouch got all the black knights on his side, Freya can still make short work of them all. (blah blah blah, Lelouch’s preview thoughts, etc.)
He needs Nina now because his plan to get rid of the nukes (blow up the bottom of Damocles with volcano lols) was already used dealing with the conventional attack. Diethard can’t turn the nukes off after all, he’d just get FINGERSNAP MACHINE GUNNED if he tried.
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Nazarielle (September 15, 2008 @ 2:08 pm)
‘He thinks his only trump card is Nina.’
Well, Diethard wouldn’t really be a trump card if he placed him there intentionally (and maybe Geass’d him? No evidence for that though). I mean, it’s hard to decide what to call a last hope/trump card and what not to, it’s arguing semantics.
It seems like he keeps saying that he’s missing one piece and he hopes that Nina will come through or something like that. Diethard could just be a piece that he knows will offer him a move, whether it’s to kill Schneizel or just hinder him, it’s really hard to tell.
Of course this could all just be total bullshit and Diethard might really just think that Schneizel is the next best “new era of humanity.” I’m not sure I really buy that though, because then why bother to keep him alive or even in Schneizel’s presence? They could have just had him leave or something during R2 22 when that other person ran away as well. Speaking of that, who did run away?
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yzak (September 15, 2008 @ 2:49 pm)
It was Sayoko.
Also, Diethard is obviously on Clovis’ side.
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onimaruxlr (September 15, 2008 @ 3:02 pm)
I think Dietty is on his own side. As always, he just wants the juicier story. What’s more impressive, the guy who nuked the world into submission or the guy who has some ambiguous plot where he makes the world a better place vis-a-vis villianizing himself?
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Turambar (September 15, 2008 @ 3:27 pm)
I think what alot of the people believing this theory is forgetful of exactly what Diethard can do. He’s a TV guy. He’s not a military officer nor an expert in science. His role has always been to shine the spot light on the right person at the right time, and is capable of little more.
Further more, Diethard has no ambition to be an actor. He is far more comfortable being the director/editor that filters what is experienced by the audience. Thus, him taking an active role in the unfolding events is very out of character. Of course, everyone’s character seems to be a mask these days so who knows.
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Mosh (September 15, 2008 @ 3:36 pm)
If Diethard is to stab Schneizel in the back in some way, Nazarielle’s theory would be a pretty good one.
The trump card comment might only refer to his trump card in the current battle between mech and FLEIA problems, instead of everything else what will happen after the battle. That could explain why he wouldn’t mention Diethard.
Or maybe Diethard will only have to do a minor action from within. Or has already done so. That would mean that he isn’t as important as Nina, who basically has everyone’s, including Lelouch and his forces, fate in her hands: if Lelouch survives, he can still take out Schneizel.
As onimaruxlr wrote, I always believed that Diethard went for whatever side would give the most sensational story.
But who knows..maybe they will come with some sort of excuse that Diethard will join the winner (Lelouch), or has changed his mind when he heard about treating the world with FLEIA’s. I don’t think it would work at this point that Diethard (he was okay with the BK ready to execute Lelouch) secretly worked for Lelouch all this time, without ever hinting at it.
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sigma (September 15, 2008 @ 4:01 pm)
if lelouch ignored diethard then it’d mean he doesn’t care about him, and vice versa. but lelouch did, and diethard smiled. that smile means that diethard is probably back on lelouch’s side.
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sigma (September 15, 2008 @ 4:03 pm)
lelouch has always been consistent in the fact that he will backstab, mislead, and use anyone in any way that will give him results. that has not changed at all even with him being the emperor. he has also been consistent with having an ace in the hole. in this case, possibly diethard.
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Whocares (September 15, 2008 @ 6:10 pm)
Diethard may just be providing Lelouch with intelligence on Schneizel’s plan, while Nina is still trying to come up with a working solution full of MAGIC TECHNOBABBLE that will defeat said plan for sure.
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fabul0us (September 15, 2008 @ 6:27 pm)
am i thinking to hard or not thinking enough but wouldn’t his last trump card be C.C. and maybe taking her code away for immortality? i do realize that Nina has something up her sleeve. but after watching the preview, it ended with C.C. looking at Lelouch? mayb im not sure. That was the only thing that came to mind when i thought Lelouch was gonna kill my beloved…
But at the beginning he also said, him and suzaku can accomplish anything? With His immortality and Suzaku’s live on geass?
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Pajamas (September 15, 2008 @ 8:32 pm)
I think we should all wait and see what happens :)
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P3s (September 15, 2008 @ 10:47 pm)
Lelouch takes CC’s code and becomes immortal. He wins by default since Schneizel cant kill him.
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FlyTaggart (September 16, 2008 @ 4:06 am)
There is always a way to kill an immortal, as you saw with Charles and Marianne.
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Mosh (September 16, 2008 @ 5:21 am)
Maybe Lelouch Geassed Diethard. Lelouch would have to show a visual trigger or say something that would make Diethard do something that hinders Schneizel.
Lelouch does seem to know to at least some extend, what Schneizel is planning. All the writers need to do, is to make up some moment in time when Lelouch used the Geass on him.
I think that it is highly unlikely that Diethard has been Geassed to sabotage Schneizel though.
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ZeroSama (September 16, 2008 @ 8:44 am)
The reason Lelouch said Nina was his ace in the hole might simply be because he hasn’t got that information from Diethard yet about Schenziel spilling his guts to Cornelia before he spilled hers.
If he doesn’t know Diethard has managed to dig up a shitload of dirt he can’t describe him as an ace in the hole, therefore his internal monologue at the end of the EP holds true.
Also i’m assuming that Schenziel doesn’t know he has Nina. if he did he would’ve blown the shit out of lelouchs forces at the first opportunity because if anyone else gets their hands on FLEIA it puts a distinct dampner on his plans to threaten the world with FLEIA if they can just use FLEIA to bomb the shit out of him.
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