FLEIA Math from Professor Fluff (and Professor Remo)

Edit: This post has since been updated with some logic near the end.

:eng101: After an exchange of posts at ADTRW, TheFluff asked me to make a post about… numbers.

FLEIA-tan

  • Suzaku says that FLEIA will cause up to 40,000,000 liters* in damage.
    • 40,000,000 liters = 40,000 cubic meters
    • 40,000,000 liters = 0.00004 cubic kilometers
    • 40,000,000 liters = ~335450 barrels
    • 40,000,000 liters = ~10566880 American gallons
    • 40,000,000 liters = 160000000 metric cups
    • 40,000,000 liters = ~42267530 American quarts
    • 40,000,000 liters = ~84535060 American pints
    • 40,000,000 liters = ~4057682720 dessert spoons
    • 40,000,000 liters = 181818 homers
  • If we dump these 40mil liters into a sphere, it makes a sphere with a 42m diameter.
    • 42 meters = 46 yards
    • 42 meters = 138 feet
    • 42 meters = 1654 inches

REMO’S AWESOME MATH

Volume of sphere = 4/3 π r³
40m liters = 40,000,000,000 cm³
4/3 π r³ = 40,000,000,000 cm³
π r³ = 30,000,000,000 cm³
r³ = 9,549,296,585.51 cm³
r = 2121.57 cm
Radius = 2121.57cm or 21.2 meters, diameter would be 42.4 meters

Mysteries

  • Can you fit 35mil people into that area? I guess this can be more of a question of what’s below the Tokyo Settlement besides underground roads.
  • What exactly was liters referring to anyway?

Conversion Lesson from Fluff

  • One meter cubed is a cube with each side being one meter long.
  • If you laid out 1000 such cubes in a row, it’d be 1000 meters long, one meter wide and one meter high.
  • You need to put 999 other rows just like it to get a field of cubes that is 1000 meters long, 1000 meters wide and one meter high.
  • That field contains 1000*1000 = one million cubic meters.
  • Stack 999 more fields just like it on top to get a cube that is 1000 meters in length, width, and height.
  • Such a cube contains 1000*1000*1000 = 1,000,000,000 (one billion) cubic meters, or 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) liters.

…but this is all assuming that Suzaku actually said 40mil liters.

I’m going to let you all in on a little fansubber secret: Suzaku doesn’t actually say liters. According to the closed captions, he says “riitas” but no one knows what the fuck that is, so us fansubbers try to find something that kind of sort of makes sense, and liters was close enough.

For one thing, observe this screenshot where it says the radius of the primary is 1300 meters (this is the part that killed 10mil people) and the secondary is 3000 meters (this is part that killed 25mil people). Hey, 10mil + 25mil casualties? That’s 35mil… Only 5mil short of 40mil, that number Suzaku gave off before…

There’s various things wrong with this idea though: 1) I don’t know how to make what I’m suggesting work in Japanese. 2) It means that when Nina calculated this (I’m just assuming she gave Suzaku this number since she’s the project head and all), she didn’t realize it’d kill up to 40mil people even though she calculated it, and while I like to think of her as dumb, thinking of her as that dumb is even a bit beyond me. 2.5) The idea of calculating that 40mil people would die is pretty weird itself, no?

Maybe we could do some reverse math and come up with what 1 riita is equal to?

Edit 2: Oh Kaioshin

(which could as miasmacloud pointed out in her own article [although she has a LOT of facts wrong such as what primary and secondary casualties refer to and the death total]

The 10mil and 25mil as the death counts from the Primary and Secondary stages respectively are from the anime itself. You can argue that it should be “10mil+” but none of us so far have had any qualms about just lumping the two solid numbers together as 35mil.

Edit 3: Okay apparently this was caused by some difference in subs. Eclipse put primary and secondary without putting “stage” after them.

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categories Information | miasmacloud | datetime August 30, 2008 3:24 am

33 Comments

  • Nilie (August 30, 2008 @ 4:23 am)

    I know what E=MC2 means!! 8D

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  • Nilie (August 30, 2008 @ 4:25 am)

    Ending=> Machiavellic C.C
    XD

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    Poki (August 30, 2008 @ 10:26 am)

    …Oh my god it all makes sense now.

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  • Scypher (August 30, 2008 @ 4:27 am)

    In other words, 40mil liters is not nearly as impressive as it sounds?

    With any luck, the series will end with Lulu and Schneizey in a chess match, fighting for victory by the jansky.

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  • Remo (August 30, 2008 @ 6:12 am)

    Volume of sphere = 4/3 π r³

    40m liters = 40,000,000,000 cm³

    4/3 π r³ = 40,000,000,000 cm³
    π r³ = 30,000,000,000 cm³
    r³ = 9,549,296,585.51 cm³
    r = 2121.57 cm

    Radius = 2121.57cm or 21.2 meters, diameter would be 42.4 meters

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    miasmacloud (August 30, 2008 @ 6:15 am)

    Oh, you read this! :0
    Haha, thanks. :3:

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  • Whocares (August 30, 2008 @ 7:44 am)

    What about…collateral damage?

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  • Dakkar (August 30, 2008 @ 7:52 am)

    Well, it can refer to an amount of dense matter FLEIA is capable of disintegrating/teleporting. Still, measuring by volume, not mass, is quite strange.

    It would make much more sense if this “riitas” were in fact TNT equivalent yield. If 1 riita = 1 ton of TNT, then the yield of FLEIA is 40 Mtons, which is more or less acceptable.

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  • Michael (August 30, 2008 @ 8:11 am)

    I think it’s a humongous plothole.

    Writer A: ‘40,000,000 L sounds like a big number, SURELY it will kill 35 M Japanese, right?’

    Writer B: ‘Duuuuude, 40,000,000 L is a big number. SURELY it will do that.’

    Writer A: ‘OK, dude, I don’t want to do any math. It will kill all of them, really, man.’

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  • Warb (August 30, 2008 @ 9:11 am)

    lulz @ screenshot:

    step 5: space transfer
    jupiter here we come!

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  • citrinitas (August 30, 2008 @ 9:32 am)

    Hmm, after going through all the romanizations of “riitas” I could think of all I found was: a genus of catfish, a character from Norse mythology, Bajoran currency, animation software popular with anime studios, and some other useless things.

    RET is “Resonant Energy Transfer” (RETs maybe?) but I don’t think the pronunciation carries.

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  • Remo (August 30, 2008 @ 10:21 am)

    Can I just check something? In the gg subs Suzaku says 4 million liters, but kaoshin-tan says its supposed to be 40 million… which is the correct one?

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    miasmacloud (August 30, 2008 @ 10:31 am)

    It’s actually 40mil. ;A; Reikai, who TL’ed 18 (the usual guy is Xabin), failed at calculating 4000 * 10,000. -v-

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    miasmacloud (August 30, 2008 @ 10:34 am)

    …that reminds me, we really need to v2 18 sometime.

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    Whocares (August 30, 2008 @ 11:07 am)

    Hope so. You could just update the .ass file and leave it at that, no?

    miasmacloud (August 30, 2008 @ 11:11 am)

    Well, when we v2, we make a .bat with an xdelta diff patch to patch your mkv from v1 -> v2, upload script for people who don’t need assistance remuxing, etc.

    But I kind of want to figure out wtf Suzaku is talking about with the 40mil [whatever] before doing it. D: The comedy option is just put “rita” and be done with it, lol.

  • Scioza (August 30, 2008 @ 10:40 am)

    I always assumed the use of liters was similar to how we measure nukes in tons. It’s the explosive equivalent in terms of the most common conventional explosive. In CG liquid sakuradite is made out to be really fucking explosive, so it would make sense if it’s referring to 40 million liters of liquid sakuradite as the explosive comparison.

    If we assume sakuradite is comparable to water in density and dynamite in explosives (makes the numbers easier) FLEIA would be roughly a 40 kiloton bomb, or in the neighborhood of 3x Hiroshima.

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    Whocares (August 30, 2008 @ 11:05 am)

    Hey, that actually makes sense…sortof.

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    miasmacloud (August 30, 2008 @ 11:17 am)

    Someone at ADTRW brought up the liters referring to liquid Sakuradite (liquid sakuradite explosion seems to be the first process). It’s a pretty good explanation, but I’ve known that he didn’t really say “liters”, so… :iiam:

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    風の谷の名無しさん (August 31, 2008 @ 2:39 pm)

    That’s a pretty good explanation.

    Except that FLEIA doesn’t really cause an explosion in the first place, so why would anybody want to compare it to explosives?

    Of course, that doesn’t mean that that’s not the explanation the writers had in mind.

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  • nekomo (August 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm)

    world war two lasted six years with 70mil casualties, that’s two nukes and countless bombings etc.

    this defies common sense, wtf you can waste 35mil in 5 seconds.

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  • fag (August 30, 2008 @ 8:32 pm)

    maybe in the cg universe they use rita rudner as a unit of measurement based on some horrible calamity she caused maybe like at a bar or something

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  • John (August 30, 2008 @ 9:08 pm)

    FUCK MATH!

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  • danainae (August 30, 2008 @ 11:48 pm)

    It’s anime, and Code Geass at that. As anal-retentive as Taniguchi is about details, math goes out the window

    …and it saddens me.

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  • Kurogane (August 31, 2008 @ 3:07 am)

    I would support the liter referring to measurement of liquid Sakuradite theory.

    It’s the most plausible explanation considering that CG doesn’t have nukes and Sakuradite has been made out to be the material with the most energy potential in the series.

    Furthermore, it seems to be refined in to a liquid form, so I guess they still use liters to measure it. Thank god Brittania didn’t keep the Imperial system.

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  • zephyrmoon (August 31, 2008 @ 2:03 pm)

    lol, who knows how they got 35 mil people anyways
    the aerial image of the exploded tokyo settlement didn’t seem all that giant to me… maybe like the palace went poof :O

    the must’ve counted the cockroaches o.o
    oh wait, they’d live >__>

    or maybe 1 liter of damage = 1 person?

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    karasu (August 31, 2008 @ 4:33 pm)

    Actually, I think most of the tokyo got sucked off the map, Tokyo was basically those giant boards built above ground, and you could see that it was entirely gone.

    And I’m quite sure there weren’t any secondary casualties, they all vanished in an instant, there’s no ’space’ left for them to survive long enough to be counted as secondary, no?

    Well, maybe riitas is an area unit? Like 1meter cube, which you can assume in normal situations only one person would be in one certain 1m3 at any time, which could be why the casualty number is close to the riitas-whatever-it-is. Of course, there aren’t people standing in every meter cube in Japan, so that could account for the -5mil.

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  • Ender (September 7, 2008 @ 6:44 pm)

    I’ve had an epiphany. WHAT IF… 40M “Riita” is actually 40 MEGA-collapse as the fleiJa screen puts it? Since it says 20 MEGA-collapse and is reinforced by sakuradite by 20 unit(s). Assuming the unit meant mega-collapse though…
    But, well, it makes sense not to think of it as something that would imply a 20m radius since the fleiJa screen says blah blah meter(s) in Radius..
    So how does Ritaa become Mega-collapse? (heck, what kind of name is this for a unit anyway??) I dunno, I don’t do jap.
    Lalala.

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  • Jauffe (October 30, 2008 @ 1:07 pm)

    I thought “L” stood for the oldest unit of measurement, similar to the size of an inch- so 40m inches

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